Pre-Polostan

I was fortunate enough to get to see and hear Neal Stephenson as part of his promotional tour for Polostan. Once again he was hosted by the Long Now Foundation in San Francisco, this time in a conversation with another author, Charles C. Mann (who I think looks a little like Stephen King). I was pleased to see that the entire talk is available for free on YouTube, but since I've historically noted author events on this blog, I figured I'd drop at least a quick note here!

 

This is actually the fourth time (!!) I've gotten to hear Neal speak. The first was another Long Now event for his Anathem launch; that was the trippiest of the bunch, featuring a Gregorian chant choir. For REAMDE I saw him in another venue - I want to say the Swedish American Hall? - and actually go to briefly chat with him for the book signing, in a surprisingly intimate/sacred space, and geek out a little on a SHEKONDAR reference. Most recently was a bigger event at some nightclub space to promote Seveneves. This last one was at the SF JAZZ theater, a perfect venue for this sort of event that could accommodate a decent number of people while giving everyone a great view.

This is the first author event I've been to since the pandemic hit, and hadn't realized how much I've missed them. It isn't something I constantly did, but in any given year I'd normally go to one or two, so it's weird to have gone for nearly five years without any. They usually feel a little awkward to me, but familiar at the same time, and everyone acknowledges the awkwardness and is just happy to be around other people interested in the same thing (a dang book!).

The initial talk was pretty interesting. I'm always curious if and how much they prep in advance; apparently Neal and Charles have been friends for years, and I wonder if they had talked generally about what to talk about. The conversation seemed very natural and not rehearsed, but also Neal never really needed to pause and think about his reply, so I suspect at least some of it touched in areas that they may have previously discussed in private.

A few minutes in, Neal apologized for a persistent cough; he said that he had gotten a cold a month ago, and been completely recovered for a few weeks, but still had a tickle in his throat, "so you'll be hearing some gross sounds from me."

I especially enjoyed the event once it pivoted towards the Q&A portion. Volunteers distributed and collected cards, then they were screened in real time and periodically delivered to Charles, who would then review and ask them. I love this style of question-asking, which bypasses the agonizing experience of having a random person with mental issues monopolize attention.

I won't recap everything, but just noting a few particular things that stuck in my mind:

The very first audience question was a melodramatic query along the account of "Is there hope for the human race?" Neal said that he thinks we are facing two critical problems: carbon (in the atmosphere), and not being able to agree on what's real. For the first one, he's been growing more optimistic that people are working on it and it is a solvable problem. For the second one, he feels a lot of concern and hasn't seen good solutions. "Ask me in a month," he concluded.

There was a great rabbit-hole where Neal and Charles geeked out on their mutual love of Peter Fleming, Ian's brother and a far superior writer and human being. Peter was a journalist for British papers and had a very keen and cutting style. I really want to check out those books now; apparently they're out of print and hard to find, but worth it.

Charles asked at one point about how much of The Bomb Light series to expect, if it would be something like The Baroque Cycle. Neal said "Yes", basically. There are two books ready, definitely a third, maybe a fourth. The Baroque Cycle was essentially eight books that were bundled into three volumes, the Bomb Light will have "similar complexity". One thing that's nice about Bomb Light is that, because it's closer to our own time, he doesn't need to spend as many pages describing things: he can just say "He got into a car," he doesn't need to explain what a "car" is.

Charles asked about Neal's unconventional novel structures, citing examples like Seveneves's "Five thousand years later...", REAMDE being a several-hundred-page-long chase scene, Fall starting as a kind of social satire and morphing into something very different, and asked whether Neal intentionally rebels against the "neat and orderly" conventions. Neal said "Yes", basically; in a discursive answer, he described how he didn't follow the normal path towards being an author. You're supposed to keep a journal, then practice short stories, and eventually write a novel. Neal can't write short stories, and kind of accidentally discovered that he could write novels when he wrote The Big U during a week when he was stranded in a crummy Boston apartment. Likewise, people usually come up the sci-fi convention circuit starting as volunteers, and working up to panelists, and eventually featured speakers; but Neal entered that world as a featured speaker. "Most people don't mind", he notes. Anyways, he hasn't felt the need to conform, and his own inspirations have been authors who haven't conformed. He was particularly struck by William Gibson's "Neuromancer," which is absolutely science fiction, but written in a literary style; up until then, Neal hadn't realized that you could do that, and it was eye-opening to him. He also name-dropped David Foster Wallace and Thomas Pynchon (yay!) as inspirational writers for him. I thought that was really cool, as I've recently been comparing Pynchon and Stephenson as well.

Someone asked if the cipher/code in The Baroque Cycle can be decoded, Neal says "Yes". It's really an invented language system by John Wilkins of the Royal Society; the idea was to create a graph of every concept we have (every physical thing, every idea, every action, etc.) and assign a unique number or glyph to each. Then you can communicate any sentence by listing what are essentially offsets into this database of universal knowledge. It was kind of a fad among Royal Society members for a short while, but obviously didn't catch on. Charles noted that Christopher Columbus's son had invented a similar system in the early 1500s, which apparently was news to Neal, so that was cool to see; that son also had invented the library cart catalog system. This discussion reminded me of Ithkuil, another attempt at creating a language to express all possible ideas, which was featured in an excellent New Yorker article many years ago.

Also on the subject of language, Neal talked about how some people noticed that the letter "O" looks a little like the shape of a mouth pronouncing the sound "O", and "that insight took them to a very dark place." They started thinking that you should be able to make all letters look like the physical shape that produces them. So, for example, they would take a cadaver's head, give a graduate student a pair of bellows and have them pump air through the severed throat up through the mouth, and they would try to move around the tongue and jaw to produce a particular sound and record what it "looked" like.

Needless to say, this did not catch on!

One person complimented Neal's very accurate portrayals of Eastern Europeans and asked how he was able to write them so well; his answer is basically to read as widely as possible, most of his "research" is done through reading, ideally from contemporary sources. Separately from that question they talked a fair bit about eastern Europe, Russia and the Soviet Union, including some things like Kerensky that I'm only familiar with thanks to having read October not too long ago.

Charles asked: does Neal need to explain what the Soviet Union is, in the same way he had to explain things in The Baroque Cycle? People of their age grew up with the USSR as a famous and existential threat, but people in their 20s today were born decades after the fall of the Berlin Wall and may just not be very familiar with it. Neal pondered that briefly, then noted that this may actually be a benefit. During the time of the Bomb Light series, the West's perception of the USSR was very different than it would become in the 50s and later. This was before the purges started. It was after the man-made famine in Ukraine but before what had happened was widely known. This was a time when there was tremendous optimism and widespread support for Communism. So in some ways readers who can come to this book without pre-conceived notions about the USSR will be more on its level than people who know where things are headed. This also reminded me of October, and Mieville's great desire to communicate how people thought and felt while living in that historical moment, and not how we judge it in light of what came after.

At the end Charles asked about the status of adaptations of Neal's projects. I imagine that this is something which comes up in every interview or Q&A; I definitely recall Neal fielding it in earlier events I've seen him in. Basically, there are three projects that are being "actively worked on", but nothing is far enough along that it's worth really talking about or getting excited about. That isn't unusual, just how things work. Someone had the rights to D.O.D.O. for a while but those just came back to them, so they're trying to do something with that. Snow Crash is being worked on. He mentioned a third one but I forget now what that was - maybe Seveneves? Once again I'm surprised that nobody is trying to make REAMDE, that would be an amazing movie.

They noted that Neal was probably near the end of the time he should be speaking with an injured throat, so the program wrapped up and we all filed out into the night, happily holding our red-slipcovered signed books. I'm just a couple of chapters in, and am already very surprised that a particular detail from the first chapter wasn't mentioned at all during this event. But I will return to that after I finish the book and write that post!